Aline Dia: aline.dia@univ-rennes.fr, Alexandra Coynel: alexandra.coynel@u-bordeaux.fr,, Susanne Heise: susanne.heise@haw-hamburg.de, Benoît Plante: benoit.plante@uqat.ca, Aline Dia [aline.dia@univ-rennes.fr] suggested: Possible alternative reviewers could be :, Aline Dia [aline.dia@univ-rennes.fr] suggested: - Prof. Susanne Heise : Susanne.Heise@haw-hamburg.de, Aline Dia [aline.dia@univ-rennes.fr] suggested: - Dr Giovanni Libralato: giovanni.libralato@unina.it, Aline Dia [aline.dia@univ-rennes.fr] suggested: - Dr Clément Levard: clément.levard@cerege.fr, Aline Dia [aline.dia@univ-rennes.fr] suggested: Best, Aline Dia, Greg Goss [ggoss@ualberta.ca] suggested: Just have too many requests to review ( > 1 per day on average!), cannot do them all, Benoît Plante [benoit.plante@uqat.ca] suggested: Carmen Mihaela Neculita CarmenMihaela.Neculita@uqat.ca, Benoît Plante [benoit.plante@uqat.ca] suggested: Gérald J. Zagury Gerald.Zagury@polymtl.ca, Claude Fortin [claude.fortin@inrs.ca] suggested: Carrie J. Rickwood, Ph.D., Natural Resources Canada, carrie.rickwood@canada.ca , Claude Fortin [claude.fortin@inrs.ca] suggested: Jim McGeer, Professor (Biology), Wilfrid Laurier University, jmcgeer@wlu.ca , Claude Fortin [claude.fortin@inrs.ca] suggested: Maikel Rosabal, Professor, UQAM, rosabal.maikel@uqam.ca , Carmen Mihaela Neculita [carmenmihaela.neculita@uqat.ca] suggested: Alternative potential reviewers (ecotoxicologists):, Carmen Mihaela Neculita [carmenmihaela.neculita@uqat.ca] suggested: 1. Claude Fortin, Carmen Mihaela Neculita [carmenmihaela.neculita@uqat.ca] suggested: E-mail: claude.fortin@inrs.ca, Carmen Mihaela Neculita [carmenmihaela.neculita@uqat.ca] suggested: 2. Marc Amyot, Carmen Mihaela Neculita [carmenmihaela.neculita@uqat.ca] suggested: E-mail: m.amyot@umontreal.ca, Maikel Rosabal suggested: Recommendation: accepted with major changes, Maikel Rosabal suggested: The manuscript entitled " Behaviour and speciation of lanthanides during standardized ecotoxicity tests with Daphnia magna: implications and recommendations for hazard and risk assessment " represents a meaningful and pointless work where the authors provided key recommendations for any study focused on lanthanides (LN) toxicity. Several aspects regarding the speciation, the exposure conditions including the exposure time, the pH variation, and the measured concentrations of these contaminants were carefully discussed. As well, further discussion related to the LN group behaviour in terms of solubility, stability and toxicity were adequately presented. Although the manuscript provides interesting and pertinent recommendations for LN toxic testing works, the way this topic was addressed still required some improvements. I do not recommend this article for publication in the journal unless major changes are made. Even with these modifications, more perspectives and critical limitations of the current study are needed., Maikel Rosabal suggested: General comments:, Maikel Rosabal suggested: The considerations/recommendations proposed for hazard and risk assessment: From the title to the end of the manuscript, the authors stated several times the contributions of several considerations/recommendations regarding LN toxicity testing to hazard and risk assessment. I think the authors should be more sincere and limit the recommendations provided in the manuscript. In a short run, your conclusions are of great importance for any study focused on Ln toxicity (using D. magna as well as other aquatic organisms). In a long run, these pertinent recommendations will help provide, ultimately or eventually, realistic toxicological data for environmental assessment (more for hazard than for risk assessment). I think a rereading through the manuscript is needed to better express this idea concerning the implication of such recommendation for ecotoxicological studies on LN and then the potential importance of such considerations for eventual environmental assessment. This point could reinforce the contribution of the current work. A good example of what I am proposing is found on line 106 (“ in future research on the ecotoxicity of LN”), Maikel Rosabal suggested: Lanthanides as a contaminant group of interest: In the results and discussion sections, the authors used the terms heavy and light Ln or rare earth elements (REE) at times (e.g. line 260) without making any definition of such terms in previous sections. In addition, in the results presented in some figures (e.g., figs. 2, 4) some differences are observed between both groups but little is written about it. Why the authors are not comfortable in using such terms? And more importantly, why the differences between both groups in their chemical properties such affinity for O-containing ligands, ionic radius, other binding preferences, etc., are not used for more discussion of such results (when examining solubility, stability, toxicity)? Please, be consistent with the abbreviation REE or REY in the document. In the introduction section, you use the term critical raw material, why not using just critical elements? At several times (e.g. line 84, 92, 705), you made reference to Ln mixtures, but as you do not address this point in your results and discussion sections, I think all these passages related to REE mixture have to be removed., Maikel Rosabal suggested: Animal model used: On lines 78-87, the authors justified the animal model chosen for the present work, but as there are some solid works done about the solubility, speciation, and toxicity of REE using algae, why is still important to look at all these aspects for D. magna? Is not possible to take some lesson learn from these previous studies on algae when once decides to work for D. magna? I highly recommend mentioning that in these lines (78-87)., Maikel Rosabal suggested: Methodological information: In general, I appreciate the information provided for the experiments conducted by the authors, but I found a little hard to follow some experiments as well as some graphics. For that reason, I ask for a better organization or for adding more information, which helps to make a clearer and more understanding reading of the manuscript. , Maikel Rosabal suggested: -In your experiment set, you used only one “negative” control (the same condition without contaminants), but why not using another negative control to check the influence of NO3 or Cl added in the experiment media as Ln salt? On lines 469-475, you showed the EC50 for both anions are far from the concentrations used in your experiments. However, why not consider any interaction between Ln and the anion (NO3 or Cl) which would effect/perturb the toxicity you observed? Some words about this issue should be included in the discussion section., Maikel Rosabal suggested: -You prepared mother solutions or initial solutions of Ln (using salts), from which you make some dilution to obtain difference Ln concentrations in your experiments (n = 9-10). Did you measure the concentrations of such initial solutions? Such measurements which help reduce the differences observed between nominal and measured concentrations (see Fig. 2) in your “initial” toxic testing time. An important element to be discussed in the manuscript, Maikel Rosabal suggested: -On lines 143-153: you mentioned that two independent definitive tests were performed for each element. I think it could be good to explain here the difference between one and the second definitive tests used (24h versus 48 h?). What is your argument to assume homogenous initial pH (at t = 0) for all exposure concentrations? I cannot understand why you did not take any precaution decision to be sure that there is not any initial difference in terms of pH at the beginning of the exposure for each condition., Maikel Rosabal suggested: -On line 164: Did you test if the material of the filter used remove lanthanides by adsorption? Any perturbation caused by the filter material used? It could be useful to mention that as recommendations for further experiments., Maikel Rosabal suggested: -On line 184: Why was the pH not measured in all testing conditions? Or what was your criteria to select some exposure conditions? , Maikel Rosabal suggested: -Section 2.4. Speciation was estimated for each REE member in your testing conditions. But in such estimations, did you consider the presence of other metals in the medium like Ca, Mg, Fe, and Mg, which have the potential to be a competitor of REE uptake and then affecting their toxicity on D. magna? If not, that should be mentioned in the discussion section. The equation 2 used is based-on logarithmic relationships. It is validated for all REEs? It is always the case? Are you not considering Ln precipitation by sulfate or nitrate and only by carbonate as ligands? A value of 0.831 meq/L of CaCO3 is pertinent for the environment? When discussed these points in section 4.6, some lines regarding that is necessary., Maikel Rosabal suggested: -Section 2.5: The statistical analyses required more information. It could be pertinent to add the number of replications (n) for each measurement you presented in the graphs and tables. Apart from the lineal relationships, I did not see any statistical analyses to be applied to observe some differences. For example, why not applying that in fig. 1 to explore differences between REE members (or REE groups) for a same measurement (measured at t = 0; 24h). Or in fig. 2 between initial measurements after 24 h or 50 h. Or in fig. 3, among REE members in terms of EC50? In fig. 5 (panel B), it is OK to represent a linear relationship with only 4 or 5 points? How did you obtain the EC50 values? (Which package ? Which model ? Log-Logistic ? How many parameters ?), Maikel Rosabal suggested: Results and Discussion, Maikel Rosabal suggested: -I found that some results that have been shown in the discussion section should be located in the Results section. For example, the results discussed from Figs. 5-6, from equations 8-12; they required to be incorporated as results. , Maikel Rosabal suggested: -Lines 314-316. Here, you are talking about the decrease in Ln concentrations. You mentioned some losses by Ln adsorption to tube cells, but what about i) Ln the precipitation, ii) and Ln interaction with food contained in D. magna during cultivation and releasing during Ln exposure? I think these possibilities deserve to be also discussed. , Maikel Rosabal suggested: -Lines 327-334: The atmosphere here decreases the pH (towards more acid waters), but in the previous sentence (line 320) you mentioned the atmosphere increased the pH. Why this contradictory idea here? Was that really happened?, Maikel Rosabal suggested: -I really appreciated the section 4.6 with all the efforts to gather some recommendations/caveats to be considered when testing Ln toxicity, but I found two points requiring special attention., Maikel Rosabal suggested: i)The Ln precipitation and their potential toxic effects. Is there any previous evidence of Ln-containing particles to be uptaken and causing toxicity in any animal model? If yes, please include and discuss this work. More development is still required to reinforce these propositions of Ln toxicity. Or is that an important issue for D. magna versus other aquatic organisms (mussels)?, Maikel Rosabal suggested: ii) I was expected some lines discussing the importance of measuring bioaccumulation during LN testing studies in any aquatic model. If you want to provide some recommendations what is your feeling about this point? If you want to add more development on that issue, what are the precautions to take into account (depuration, desorption) when reporting total metal concentrations? I think bioaccumulation is the missing word here., Maikel Rosabal suggested: -At several times, the name of the animal model (D. magna) is not in italics. Please be consistent with that through all the document. , Maikel Rosabal suggested: Minor corrections:, Maikel Rosabal suggested: -Title requires improvement. for hazard and risk assessment? Or for future REE toxicity testing?, Maikel Rosabal suggested: -Line 21: 14 or 15 members of Ln group? If corrected, see line 87 too., Maikel Rosabal suggested: -Line 28: predictable patterns in LN ecotoxicity.. are you mentioned in terms of EC50? If yes, I recommend putting that in parentheses (if the abstract words number is allowed), Maikel Rosabal suggested: -Line 30: why ecotoxicology and not just toxicology?, Maikel Rosabal suggested: -Lines 45-46. Some keywords are included in the title., Maikel Rosabal suggested: -Lines 51: please be consistent with the abbreviation REE or REY? Is all the members of REE needed for these applications? I would start by Some rare earth elements…, Maikel Rosabal suggested: -Line 73: (note that we mean no criticisms to the scientific validity of the studies having adopted this approach). Is that necessary?, Maikel Rosabal suggested: -Line 91… series implies or series imply?, Maikel Rosabal suggested: -Line 104: verify or explore? , Maikel Rosabal suggested: -Line 147: Two independent definitive tests were performed for each element. Do you have a test for 24h and 48h for each element? Or do you have a duplicate for each test 24h and then 48h. To indicate this information. , Maikel Rosabal suggested: -Fig. 1 Why not including “n” for each measurement? Why not present these results in terms of % (which should be more illustrated)? Any sd estimated in your measurements to be added?, Maikel Rosabal suggested: -Fig. 2. Any statistical test to be applied? , Maikel Rosabal suggested: -Lines 285-295. Please, check if the equation numbers are adequately cited., Maikel Rosabal suggested: -Line 288. the TWM EC50 were calculated as follows. I think all this information should be located in section 2. Methods, Maikel Rosabal suggested: -Fig. 4. Please a better identification of first definite series and second definite series mentioned in section 2 Methods should be needed. It is somewhat confusing., Maikel Rosabal suggested: -Line 312. ..expected, Maikel Rosabal suggested: -Fig. 5 why did you use the term mod?, Maikel Rosabal suggested: -Line 379. I think the word kinetics is a strong word to be used here. What about temporal changes? These are good results to going deeper about the link between chemical properties of Ln and observed behaviours., Maikel Rosabal suggested: -Lines 410-413. I think this is the place to discuss something about the impact of filter material during this step., Maikel Rosabal suggested: -Lines 420-421. Are you sure that the presence of more biomolecules (coming from D. magna death) in the exposure media will increase the Ln solubility? Why not the Ln precipitation? , Maikel Rosabal suggested: -Lines 469-475. I understand your points but still a negative control should be recommended to check the influence of these anions on the toxicity observed. , Maikel Rosabal suggested: -Fig. 6. Other results showing differences between light and heavy REE and more explanation according to the properties of such REE members should be done. Any sd estimated in your measurements to be added (for 24hrs)?
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